ac_fuel changes

ok, and for the draft revision, well I can't really edit maps, because I only know basic stuff, so I probably can't help much :/

Though there is a guy that's really good with editing maps.. His ac names eynestyne, and he knows all the requirements for editing maps in this version. Also, he has 2 servers up, the "Q-be r00t" servers, one's a 4-player coop-edit server and the other one is a 12 person multilpayer serve. Oh and I've uploaded ac_fuel on both of his servers, but it's not playable in multilayer only coop-edit, and I've told him not to touch the map until I got some conformation with you guys.. So, my main goal is to see if maybe we can make your map playable with minimal changes and afterword's upload it to your {TBR} server and the Q-be r00t servers.
Another thing that I wanna say is that If we do do a revision then it'll be during the weekend, because he rarely goes on during the week and one of you {TBR}'s will have to attend the revisions, and I'll ask him first on how drastic the changes will be, because if they are major then he wont edit it.. Also if we do edit it with you guys and we make a mistake and save & upload it to the server, then he'll remove it and I'll have an back-up of the original map stored somewhere, so we can revise again if needed..

Anyways hope to see some of you guys there for the revision some weekend soon.. Unless he says that he can't simplify it with out applying major cuts :/

Oh and the blames on you ASCII, if you mess it up before we go into revising mode but if you want you can join us..

I'll report back soon..

god no id fuck it up in 5 seconds

updates

Never said good updates but some of it's good i guess : /

Anyways, eynestyne's managed to shrink down the possibility of it being played on the servers, but the map still doesn't meet the requirements to be played.. basically there's too much open space in the map and he doesn't want to touch any of that.. Though i think he fixed the ceiling a little in some places..
Oh and facing towards the beginning of the rail road tracks where there's a tunnel looking wall, well if you steer towards the right and go off the map you soon go into this massive room that's separate from the main map : / and that room was taking a lot of space up, i think it took about almost 2,000 cubes D: and the map requirements call for at most 3,000 cubes... so I told him to delete it... But even after we deleted that room then the map still took up about 3,850 cubes of space.. so that's about as far as he wanted to go with editing it...
The rest is up to you if you wanna shrink it down sometime..
And it's uploaded on the Q-be r00t coop server if you ever wanna see how much we fixed.. Maybe I'll show some of your {TBR} members soon since I couldn't find any to attend the revision..
And if you don't like it, then i still have an extra copy of the non-revised one that I could upload again...

Unfortunately, I currently only have Internet access at work so I won't be able to get onto AC to check it. If you could upload it to somewhere and put a download link on this thread, I might be able to take a look over and see if I can find some bits to remove. Overall, the map isn't so huge compared to some which are allowed, so perhaps there is still some hidden space somewhere which could be made solid. I think if you press f5 in edit mode and fly upwards above the map, it's easier to see that.

click on the link again when you get there... not the video ad :$

Revised version
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?l5bq6m6o3v77fv9

Original version
http://www.mediafire.com/?gvagpq98unyrnek

Oh and we might edit it again for some checks maybe..

I've only had time to take a very quick look over it at the moment. Make sure you check that any ceiling changes don't cause invisible walls to appear high up at the boundary between rooms. I didn't see it happening in the changed version, but it's always a risk because of the complex layout.

There seem to be a bit of extra space behind the parked train truck near the large fuel tank. That might be removable. Also, it should be possible to shave a bit of space of the main grassy open area, particularly on the side near the big machine-thing. Perhaps the back route behind the machine could be blocked off completely. It would make that part of the map a bit more linear, but would probably have least impact on the way the map plays compared to some other options.

The yard area with lots of boxes behind the large fuel tank also seems a bit under-used during most games so it could probably be shrunk a bit.

Overall, just look for the bits that you feel don't get used much, shrink them a bit, and adjust the detail to make sure it still looks reasonable.

Gah, stupid rules!

Bloodsport wrote:

Overall, just look for the bits that you feel don't get used much, shrink them a bit, and adjust the detail to make sure it still looks reasonable.

Oh I think I for got to do that on some parts :/
But i did delete all the un-necessary space that was taking up useless space..

Bloodsport wrote:

Gah, stupid rules!

lol

Here's another update, but it still wont work.. I'll try to shrink down some building and make it take up more space.. from your above statement that I sorta ignored :/

update 2
http://www.mediafire.com/?2q7p8v7uzll568z

Except I have no idea why the file size gets bigger for every update..

bloodsport helped edit ac_fuel and we looked at it together on one of the servers, and it works from his edits, except that it was still messed up a little, but I've fixed it now.. and if he approves this version I'll upload it to many servers, feel free to examine it in coop and test it on servers, where you can delete it off some server if needed "/deleteservermap mapname"
I and i renemed this ac_fuel_2
HF playing..

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6jogk9rp78p5pmp

http://download509.mediafire.com/div8iiamc87g/6jogk9rp78p5pmp/ac_fuel_2.cgz

edit: idk if the link works, because for me it doesn't work when I'm outside my account -.-

It seems that we have been editing a very early version of ac_fuel, so I've re-done the changes on the more up to date version of the map. It can now be downloaded here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?rr6qmf71kctct4p

The changes aren't too bad this time, apart from the removal of the route behind the back of the big machine. Please try it out and let me know if you think the gameplay has been affected too much.

I think it still has enough of the nice open feel that gets Brahma's knickers in such a twist.

Oopsy, I split the topic and put it into the mapping and modding section which is members only. Sorry about that!

I think something wierd's going on with the internet these days :/
kuz this is what i get from this

your link

http://www.mediafire.com/?rr6qmf71kctct4p

Which is actually this (without spaces):
http :// www . mediafire.com /? rr6qmf71kctct4p

and the output
http://thebloodrising.niceboards.org/go/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tZGZyLz9ycjZxbWY3MWtjdGN0NHA=

[edit] I figured it out.. space out the link, and when you put it in the address-bar, just delete the spaces

your link:
http :// www . mediafire.com /? rr6qmf71kctct4p

my link:
http :// www . mediafire .com / download.php?6jogk9rp78p5pmp

From the download that you posted to the modified ac_fuel, well i looked over it and edited it a little, and i was wondering if maybe you like my idea here, because by the building, it looked kinda odd, and i added a small ruin in the corner with a grenade, and I've managed to open up some of that section behind the machine.. Oh and by the open side of the tunnel, where there is a slant that's part of the tunnel, and looks kinda odd too, but i haven't added anything there, but maybe we could add some type of building sitting on the slant so that it doesn't look so odd? :/

Also, I've posted a download link to a .zip file and in there you can find my small edit's along with some screenshots of certain sections of the map that maybe you could approve, and if you like this version then maybe it could be distributed for game play..?

http :// www . mediafire. com / ?6bbeyir9xit6u

copy and paste into addressbar and delete the spaces

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but then again it's your map, so tell me when you think it's ready for the public acers to play on ..

A few comments from looking at the pictures as I haven't had a chance to get in game yet today:

I like the change to the new broken pillar in the open area. I had made it as a fully solid section because I thought that was needed to satisfy the requirements of not having a too large open area. Have you checked on the server that the map is still playable outside of co-op edit?

I'm not sure about the new pale brick bit next to the grenades. The style looks wrong against the wall behind it. However, it would be nice to add some detail there. I can't yet think of something suitable, so see if you can think of something which would go well with either the rusted metal look of the machine, or the more factory warehouse style of the building.

I have mixed feelings about the route behind the back of the machine. It helps make that part of the map less linear, but it can result in people camping there too much. We really need to try it out in a small game of something like Hunt The Flag to see how it plays. If there is a helmet behind the machine, the armour should be moved further away. Perhaps towards the end of the rail track so that it is more balanced for the RVSF team attacking from their base.

The stepped slant high up by the tunnel is an unfortunate consequence of my use of varying ceiling height in that part of the map. So far I can find no way of handling this which doesn't involve something odd looking somewhere in that area. It is needed to prevent there being hidden walls in the sky which occasionally obstruct your view.

Bloodsport wrote:

A few comments from looking at the pictures as I haven't had a chance to get in game yet today:

I like the change to the new broken pillar in the open area. I had made it as a fully solid section because I thought that was needed to satisfy the requirements of not having a too large open area. Have you checked on the server that the map is still playable outside of co-op edit?

I think that you never needed to make the piller solid, since i think making the building solid was the main fix in the map. Also if you noticed some of the screenshots, i was editing the map in the server.. and i have a slightly updated on there..

If you have time go on ac and type /connect eynstyne.isa-geek.com 28766 and lock the server and vote the map in dm or coop and get it since you have an older version... but there i only made slight changes.. :/

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I'm not sure about the new pale brick bit next to the grenades. The style looks wrong against the wall behind it. However, it would be nice to add some detail there. I can't yet think of something suitable, so see if you can think of something which would go well with either the rusted metal look of the machine, or the more factory warehouse style of the building.

idk what you want there, but I'll see what i can do with the help of other mappers.

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I have mixed feelings about the route behind the back of the machine. It helps make that part of the map less linear, but it can result in people camping there too much. We really need to try it out in a small game of something like Hunt The Flag to see how it plays. If there is a helmet behind the machine, the armour should be moved further away. Perhaps towards the end of the rail track so that it is more balanced for the RVSF team attacking from their base.

I've played if with haste the other day in dm, and I haven't seen a major problem with that part of the map yet, that section actually makes the map some what fun..

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The stepped slant high up by the tunnel is an unfortunate consequence of my use of varying ceiling height in that part of the map. So far I can find no way of handling this which doesn't involve something odd looking somewhere in that area. It is needed to prevent there being hidden walls in the sky which occasionally obstruct your view.

I might have to edit some there, and upload some screenies and see if you like a small idea that i have for that pert..

here i have some more ideas, see if you like them..

this time only pics.. to lazy to add a map file XD

http :// www . mediafire. com / ?6bbeyir9xit6u

I think ac_fuel is ready now blood, if we could look at it one more time together, because theres 1 minor thing that you might not like... and I want it to be played on the servers soon..

wonder when blood is going to get the itch to make maps again

Splendid, I should be on ac this evening, german time.

If we can get our maps into the map rotation of a well used server, I might start making a few more again. A performance is no fun without the audience.

Fuel is finished and in rotation, check it out when ever you guys want..

It's pretty spiffing to play, if I do say so myself.

Ac wadi? And the space map were the best

Oh, they are available too. It's just that fuel had to be changed a bit to fit the silly new map quality rules.